Written by Kate Billing, Founder & Creative Director, Blacksmith

A 3 minute read & 52 minute watch

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The Real Room is a space I’ve created for conversations about the tricky business of putting being FULLY HUMAN at the centre of how we live, lead and work.

In the Real Room, I have conversations with fabulous humans from all over New Zealand and the world. They’re conversations with a diverse group of people about all things human-related. My guests range from people leaders to thought leaders, researchers to practitioners, corporate legends to creative entrepreneurs, artists to activists, and more. If they’re all about taking a more human-centred approach, I want to talk with them!

Conversation #7 with Rebecca Sutherns

Rebecca Sutherns is one of ‘my people’. You know the ones. The people you meet from time to time and just click with, on all the levels that matter in terms of how you see the world and the work you want to do in it. She’s a GOOD human doing GOOD work.

Along with being an insightful and high energy collaborative strategist, Rebecca is a published author and world class facilitator who has served as a trusted advisor to hundreds of mission-driven organizations in Canada and around the world.

In this 52 minute conversation Rebecca and I talk about:

  • boundaries and the tension between purpose, compassion and available resources in mission-driven organisations
  • success: do we even know what that looks like now, especially in human terms?
  • the importance of ‘gut-checking’ and intuition, as well as logic, in collaborative decision-making
  • creating safe, inclusive spaces and facilitating collaborative conversations in an on-line environment
  • going all in or all out – in-person or virtual – to create a level playing field for participation
  • “get to” versus “have to” and how language can set up perceived privilege in a WFH/mixed ‘ways of working’ environment
  • the new flexibility of not just where but when; and
  • the exhaustion band, decision fatigue and the façade of certainty.

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Rebecca and Kate Profile

Kate Billing:

Kate is the Founder & Creative Director of Blacksmith www.blacksmith.co.nz, a specialist leadership development practice focused on the development of human-centred leaders and fully human organisations.

For nearly 25 years Kate has worked in the people, culture and leadership space, building a reputation for sharp insights, compassionate challenge, warmth, and energy. Over that time she has worked within a range of industries and organisations, with leaders from the boardroom to the front line, all of whom have demonstrated their capacity for personal and collective evolution.

She believes it’s time for a new kind of leader: human-centred leaders who together will create the world we need for our shared future. Leaders who are examples of what’s possible when we commit to the highest levels of humanity and responsibility in the ways that we live, lead and do business.

Connect with Kate on LinkedIn.

Dr. Rebecca Sutherns:

Rebecca is an insightful and high energy collaborative strategist and world class facilitator who has served as a trusted advisor to hundreds of mission-driven organisations in Canada and internationally.

As the founder and Principal of Sage Solutions, a consulting firm based in Guelph, Ontario, Rebecca has facilitated customised strategic processes for community benefit organisations for more than 20 years. She provides strategic coaching and planning services, with an emphasis on professional facilitation, stakeholder engagement and evidence-based decision-making.

Rebecca brings intellect, enthusiasm and varied experience in strategy development and collaborative leadership when speaking, writing and mentoring. She is a skilled communicator, with a particular gift for helping leaders make wiser decisions faster. She is the author of Nimble: Off Script but Still On Track – a coaching guide for responsive facilitation and Sightline: Strategic plans that gather momentum not dust. Learn more at rebeccasutherns.com.

Connect with Rebecca on LinkedIn.